ecclesiastes 8:15 commentary

[3] Be not hasty to go out of his sight: stand not in an evil thing; for he does whatever pleases him. Note that the obedience to the king is for the sake of your oath to God (same verse). The Book of Ecclesiastes is, up to a certain point, the converse of another world. of the greatest virtue and merit: or, by God's providence, who s "SO. There is no man that has power over his spirit to retain the spirit; neither hath he power in the day of death: and there is no discharge in that war; neither shall wickedness deliver those that are given to it ( Ecclesiastes 8:8 ). Copyright 2023, Bible Study Tools. therefore the heart of the sons of men is fully set in them to do Then Peter and the other apostles answered and said, We ought to obey God rather than men. Its just a matter of timeand probably much less time than most imagine. Ecclesiastes 8:11. 3 Be not hasty to go out of his sight. This comes straight from other Scripture, God stating that it would be well for those who feared and obeyed Him, with their days prolonged (Deuteronomy 5:29 Deuteronomy 5:29O that there were such an heart in them, that they would fear me, and keep all my commandments always, that it might be well with them, and with their children for ever!American King James Version; Deuteronomy 6:2 Deuteronomy 6:2That you might fear the LORD your God, to keep all his statutes and his commandments, which I command you, you, and your son, and your son's son, all the days of your life; and that your days may be prolonged.American King James Version, Deuteronomy 6:24 Deuteronomy 6:24And the LORD commanded us to do all these statutes, to fear the LORD our God, for our good always, that he might preserve us alive, as it is at this day.American King James Version). Nor does it mean that the person will be afforded protection by the government, though he or she well may, as all do to some extent. But the person who fears God knows that God is always near. American King James Version). Same kind of experiences to both. The sentiment of this verse is a frequent conclusion of the writers personal experience (compare marginal references), and is unfairly charged with Epicureanism. The sentiment CHAPTER 8 We must arm ourselves against the temptation of an oppressive government and not think it strange (v. 9, 10). [29] See, this only have I found, that God has made man upright; but they have sought out many inventions. And who knoweth the interpretation of a thing? . [28] Which yet my soul seeks, but I find not: one man among a thousand have I found; but a woman among all those have I not found. _ 1. Placing them at t _Then I commended mirth, because a man hath no better thing under the But in the passage here we need to understand that God is the One who is not bringing His justice right away. You can't really come to the king and say, "Hey, what are you doing?" Verse 12 seems to support the past perpetuation of the wicked as the frustration, as it mentions the sinners days being prolonged. Fear of the Lord is to depart from evil. Who knows anything? American King James Versiona). He believed, even when there was no evidence for believing! (quoted on p. 135). Partner with StudyLight.org as God uses us to make a difference for those displaced by Russia's war on Ukraine. The question in Ecclesiastes isn't about the existence of God; the author is no atheist, and God is always there. The words There is are in italics in the NKJV, showing theyve been added to the original wordingunnecessarily in this case. We see the just troubled and perplexed in their own minds, the wicked easy, fearless, and secure,--the just crossed and afflicted by the divine Providence, the wicked prosperous, successful, and smiled upon,--the just, censured, reproached, and run down, by the higher powers, the wicked applauded and preferred. The Hebrew word is applied not only to the pleasures arising from the physical senses, but also frequently to religious joy. But he also knows that often the opposite is true (14). Our present life is a life under the sun, but we look for the life of the world to come, which will commence and continue when the sun shall be turned into darkness and shine no more. ECCLESIASTES 8:14, it is best to give a man's self up to eating and It is good that you should take hold of this; yes, also from this withdraw not your hand: for he that fears God shall come forth of them all. They've been talking about that for years. Section 5. That you might fear the LORD your God, to keep all his statutes and his commandments, which I command you, you, and your son, and your son's son, all the days of your life; and that your days may be prolonged. lives, even food and raiment, and with this he should be content. There is a vanity which is done upon the earth; that there be just men, unto whom it happens according to the work of the wicked; again, there be wicked men, to whom it happens according to the work of the righteous: so I said that this also is vanity ( Ecclesiastes 8:13-14 ). In the person of a sensual man. There is no man that has power over the spirit to retain the spirit; neither has he power in the day of death: and there is no discharge in that war; neither shall wickedness deliver those that are given to it. Solomon's pencil. But this is not where things end. Drawing upon a variety of resourcesincluding commentaries, sermons, treatises, and confessionsmuch of which appears here for the first time in English, this volume provides resources for contemporary preachers, enables scholars to better understand the depth and breadth of Reformation commentary, and seeks to help readers find comfort in . The good are soon Not so. ". submission to things as they are. Ecclesiastes 8:13. wicked men sometimes do not live out half their days, which, according to the course of nature, and common term of life, they might be thought to live; or if they prolong their days in wickedness, as sometimes they do, ( Ecclesiastes 7:15 ) ; yet their days at longest are but a shadow which declines, and is quickly gone; or . These seeming anomalies in the moral government of God are part of Notice that the Preacher is giving us a God-centered perspective and that in verse 15 he is talking about the days of our life as a gift from God. [19] Wisdom strengthens the wise more than ten mighty men which are in the city. Chapter 8 is similar. MAN UNDER THE Honor the king (1 Peter 2:17 1 Peter 2:17Honor all men. better H2896 sun H8121 eat H398 (H8800) drink H8354 (H8800) merry And so I saw the wicked buried, who had come and gone from the place of the holy, and they were forgotten in the city where they had so done: this is also vanity. forgotten, the wicked enjoy honour and long life; the best thing a man The memory of the just is blessed: but the name of the wicked shall rot. 5: oritur sol et occidit et ad locum suum revertitur ibique renascens. and because they had not so much of them: as others; who yet had these men against divine Providence, and the inferences they dra Because sentence against an evil work is not executed speedily, Then I commended merriment, because a man hath no better thing ( Ecclesiastes 8:15 ), And this is his human philosophy and human reasoning coming out again. American King James Version, Ecclesiastes 7:19 Ecclesiastes 7:19Wisdom strengthens the wise more than ten mighty men which are in the city.American King James Version). Sinners herein deceive themselves. [6] For whom the Lord loves he chastens, and whips every son whom he receives. carried out. a 1. Send inquiries regarding the operation of this Web site to webmaster@ucg.org. abide with him of his labour the days of his life, which God gi _No good for a man, &c. Some commentators think the wise man here No power in death. As Peter is talking about the second coming of the Lord, he said, "Hey, in the last days there are going to be scoffers that are going to come saying, 'Where is the promise of Jesus coming again? He hasn't come and He's not going to come. No man hath power over the spirit That is, over the soul of man; to retain the spirit To keep it in the body beyond the time which God hath allotted to it. He would not have us try to give a reason for what God does. A man cannot find out the work of God though you search it out. Innocent mirth, a cheerfulness of spirit in whatsoever state We must keep in due subjection to the government God has set over us ( v. 2-5 ). Love the brotherhood. Post mortem nulla voluptas.". To live a God-fearing life is to live in constant awareness of the presence of God, who is even closer than a prayer away (pp. 3. Read full chapter. in whatsoever state condition men are; serenity and tranquillity of a man's wisdom makes his face to shine, and the boldness of his face shall be changed. 19952023 All correspondence and questions should be sent to info@ucg.org. The Then I commended mirth, because a man hath no better thing under the 3. Be discreet in relation with a ruler. their present condition and circumstances, and be cheerful and The Searcher is King Solomon, who records for us a faithful, objective and relevant report of what he found in this extensive search which took years of his life. Though a sinner do evil an hundred times, and his days be prolonged ( Ecclesiastes 8:12 ), Remember he was talking about how he saw that the ungodly man was living a long life, the righteous were dying young and the ungodly were living long. That Jesus isn't coming again. pleasures; but it is the good and wholesome advice of the wise There is no use in repining or rebelling; _true wisdom God's ways are above ours, nor is he tied to his own former ways, but his judgments are a great deep. We then come to Ecclesiastes 8:9 Ecclesiastes 8:9All this have I seen, and applied my heart to every work that is done under the sun: there is a time wherein one man rules over another to his own hurt.American King James Version. A Practical Verse-by-Verse Study of ECCLESIASTES - It is Don's interpretation that the book of Ecclesiastes describes Solomon's futile way of living as he heads down that slippery spiral of wine, women and song. Now because sentence against an evil work is not executed speedily, therefore the heart of the sons of men is fully set in them to do evil ( Ecclesiastes 8:11 ). This present life must be reckoned by days; this life is given us, and the days of it are allotted to us, by the counsel of God, and therefore while it does last we must accommodate ourselves to the will of God and study to answer the ends of life. Honor the king.American King James Version). We must keep in due subjection to the government God has set over us (v. 2-5). [12] For wisdom is a defense, and money is a defense: but the excellency of knowledge is, that wisdom gives life to them that have it. His survey now digresses to consider a wise man's responsibility when Eat, drink, and be joyful, for tomorrow we die! 14 man's present life is under the sun, and is continued as long as it pleases god; though it is but short, rather to be counted by days than years, and is a laborious one; and all that he gets by his labour, enjoyed by him, is to eat and drink cheerfully; and this he may expect to have and continue with him as long as he lives, even food Yes, we see injustice that is hard to accept or understand. serving the king, followed by a number Ecclesiastes 7:19-8 Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man. of Instead, somewhat surprisingly, he urges us to enjoy life: to eat, drink, and be merry. That is a tragic, fatal mistake of misinterpreting God's grace and God's goodness to you. We must get ready for sudden evils, and especially for sudden death (v. 6-8). It is [9] Furthermore we have had fathers of our flesh which corrected us, and we gave them reverence: shall we not much rather be in subjection to the Father of spirits, and live? Ecclesiastes 2:24; Ecclesiastes 3:12-13; Ecclesiastes 5:18-19). The highest wisdom is Ecclesiastes 8:15 NIV - So I commend the enjoyment of life, - Bible Gateway Read the Bible Reading Plans Advanced Search Available Versions Audio Bibles Study Tools Scripture Engagement More Resources Explore More Newsletters Devotionals Bible Gateway App Bible Audio App Bible Gateway Blog Bible Gateway Plus Store Bibles Deals More Passage Romans 13 speaks of rulers executing wrath on evildoers. Ecclesiastes 8 Commentary, this verse-by-verse commentary contain gems of information found nowhere outside the ancient Jewish writings . DEATH OF THE WICKED. Verse 15. This is not some kind of terror of God, but a profound respect that does include, as with children who love their caring parents, a healthy fear of disappointing and, yes, incurring judgment, recalling that God chastens every son He loves (Hebrews 12:5-11 Hebrews 12:5-11 [5] And you have forgotten the exhortation which speaks to you as to children, My son, despise not you the chastening of the Lord, nor faint when you are rebuked of him: Just as there is no escape from a battle, so there is no guaranteed success to wrongdoers (6-8).Often there appears to be no principle of justice at work in the world. The message here is: Do your best to stay out of trouble! The Preacher is careful to set forth pleasure as a gift from God, to be earned by labor, and received with thankfulness to the Giver, and to be accounted for to Him. For the time being we are subject to human rule. I counsel thee to keep the king's commandmen 1 Timothy 4:3; 1 Timothy 4:4; 1 Timothy 6:17; Ecclesiastes 2:24; Dr. Walter Kaiser, whose overall outline weve been following, describes the chapter 8 subsection as follows: The removal of a large proportion of the apparent inequalities in divine providence comes from righteous government. This summary, however, does not appear to be quite accurate. Paul said, "Who are you to say unto Him that has created you, 'Why hast Thou made me thus?'" _Who is as the wise man; and who knoweth the United Church of Godis a501(c)3organization. He intimates that he had tried for a better, but failed to reach it: "I said, I will be wise, but it was far from me." drink, and to be merry; What happens to one happens to the other. This is because the instruction referred to obeying the king in general, whoever he wasor to obeying whatever human authority was in power. And thus, it appears that the evil man is getting away with his evil actions, his evil deeds. "But it shall not be well with the wicked.". Who makes this observation? It doesn't matter to God that I'm living an immoral life, because look at all that I have." No fault is to be found with God; but, as to the world, This is vanity upon the earth, and again, This is also vanity, that is, it is a certain evidence that the things of this world are not the best things nor were ever designed to make a portion and happiness for us, for, if they had, God would not have allotted so much of this world's wealth to his worst enemies and so much of its troubles to his best friends; there must therefore be another life after this the joys and griefs of which must be real and substantial, and able to make men truly happy or truly miserable, for this world does neither. Ecclesiastes 8:1. . But he does not dwell on that. COMMEND PLEASURE, FOR THERE IS NOTHING GOOD FOR. And it's probably true. of earthly things there is nothing better than for a man freely let us eat and drink; for to morrow we die.American King James Version, where Paul used these words negatively, as in Isaiah 22:13 Isaiah 22:13And behold joy and gladness, slaying oxen, and killing sheep, eating flesh, and drinking wine: let us eat and drink; for to morrow we shall die.American King James Version, of those who did not believe in a resurrection and hoped only in this life.] Because to every purpose there is time and judgment, therefore the misery of man is great upon him. The second part of verse 3 says, Do not take your stand for an evil thing, for he [the king] does whatever pleases him. The phrase translated evil thing could mean bad thing in a more general sense. under the sun the best thing to do is just to eat and drink and be merry ( Ecclesiastes 8:15 ): Because man, that's all she wrote. However, some take visiting the holy place here as having occurred repeatedly during the life of the wicked people now being buried. 21st Century King James Version. Recall that this comes on the heels of Solomon presenting humanity as corrupt in chapter 7. The fear of the LORD prolongs days: but the years of the wicked shall be shortened. The next set of verses concerns following kingly authorityhuman governmentas a matter of life and death (verses 2-9). EAT, AND TO DRINK, AND TO BE MERRY. Neither hath he power in the day of death Or, against the day, that is, to avoid, or delay that day; and there is no discharge As there is in other wars . Solomon commended joy, and holy security of mind, arising from confidence in God, because a man has no better thing under the sun, though a good man has much better things above the sun, than soberly and thankfully to use the things of this life according to his rank. All things have I seen in the days of my vanity: there is a just man that perishes in his righteousness, and there is a wicked man that prolongs his life in his wickedness. All this have I seen, and applied my heart to every work that is done under the sun: there is a time wherein one man rules over another to his own hurt. Thus the Preacher warns against a capricious desertion of ones post (cf. Ecclesiastes 10:4 Ecclesiastes 10:4If the spirit of the ruler rise up against you, leave not your place; for yielding pacifies great offenses.American King James Version) and against persistence in any disloyalty (Eaton, Tyndale Old Testament Commentaries, note on Ecclesiastes 8:2-3 Ecclesiastes 8:2-3 [2] I counsel you to keep the king's commandment, and that in regard of the oath of God. [25] I applied my heart to know, and to search, and to seek out wisdom, and the reason of things, and to know the wickedness of folly, even of foolishness and madness: He's very loving. common term of life, they might be thought to live; or if they prolong their days in wickedness, as sometimes they do, Ecclesiastes 7:15; yet their days at longest are but a shadow which declines, and is . But this wording requires a text emendation. Ecclesiastes 2:24 ) ( Be not hasty to go out of his sight: stand not in an evil thing; for he does whatever pleases him. thankfulness for what they have, and a free and comfortable use experience of a THEN I COMMENDED MIRTH,. Innocent mirth, a cheerfulness of spirit He would not have us undertake to give a reason for that which God does, for his way is in the sea and his path in the great waters, past finding out, and therefore we must be contentedly and piously ignorant of the meaning of God's proceedings in the government of the world, Ecclesiastes 8:16; Ecclesiastes 8:17. To whom it happeneth, &c. Death is ultimately in the power of God but is also in the kings hands (NAC, note on verses 7-8). and who knows the interpretation of a thing? God's purpose must be "Then I commended mirth, because a man hath no better thing under the sun, than to eat, and to drink, and to be merry: for that shall abide with him of his labour the days of his life, which God giveth him under the sun.". God has given him; this is what had been observed before, ( When on the cross, it said, "He bowed his head and dismissed His Spirit" ( John 19:30 ). his labour, enjoyed by him, is to eat and drink cheerfully; and man's wisdom makes his face to shine, and the boldness of his face That shall abide with him during the days of his life which God gives him under the sun. His rule must be righteous, though this is often not seen But because God doesn't judge immediately, because the sentence of God isn't executed speedily, because God is giving you opportunity to turn, God is giving you opportunity to repent, God is giving you the opportunity to come out of your sin and to be saved and He's very patient with you. I see life moving on. sun, than to eat, and to drink, and to be merry._ Commentary on Ecclesiastes 8:14-17 (Read Ecclesiastes 8:14-17) eat, and to Yet that is only for now. "I'm a prosperous cheat, so God is condoning my cheating. That's a fatal mistake to make. (9 sessions) This study is part of the LifeLight Bible study series of in-depth studies of Bible books. Then I commended mirth These are some more of the cavils of the infidel objector: "Since virtue is frequently under oppression, and vice triumphs in health, and rolls in wealth, I see plainly that we should not trouble ourselves about future things; and therefore should be governed by the maxim EDE, BIBE, LUDE. sun, than (n) to eat, and to drink, and to be merry: for that shall Benefits of wisdom, respecting government and Blue Letter Bible study tools make reading, searching and studying the Bible easy and rewarding. When we look upon all the works of God and his providence, and compare one part with another, we cannot find that there is any such certain method by which the work that is done under the sun is directed; we cannot discover any key by which to decipher the character, nor by consulting precedents can we know the practice of this court, nor what the judgment will be. Verse 15. A man's wisdom makes his face shine, And the sternness of his face is changed. 2. And He is patient and merciful towards us as we struggle to walk in His ways, even despite our many and ongoing failures. He doesn't strike immediately, but oftentimes forestalls judgment for months, for years. But it is tragic when people misinterpret God's patience and God's kindness. Men hardened in sin, because not presently punished; but they shall not escape, but it shall go ill with them, Ecclesiastes 8:11-13; as it doth also sometimes with the righteous, whilst the wicked prosper, Ecclesiastes 8:14. Wisdom helps people see the underlying meaning of things and teaches them that to act with pleasantness is better than to act with harshness (8:1). And the word forgotten does work here. reason to be thankful for what they had, and to lift up their And they begin to make fun of the return of Jesus Christ. He is not out to destroy us but to save us, as Hes said time and again. this he may expect to have and continue with him as long as he and is not the language of an epicure, or a carnal man, who God puts up with so much. 2. That is because people end up sitting on death row for decades. seventh chapter, to which they evidently belong. Perhaps the locale of a funeral was intendedor, as some suggest, the holy city of Jerusalem. No man has any power over the spirit. Matthew Henry Matthew Henry's Complete Commentary - Ecclesiastes 10:4-11. Verse 7 in context presents more about the need for discerning the right time and way. 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